Telling Another Driver He Was Wrong – Vanessa Gordon (Transcript – S5E14)

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VANESSA: The person just arrived at the stop sign. So this person didn’t stop. They just slow down at the Senate. Speed up right behind me and slam their horn. And I just pulled over just to get away with the person, but the person actually stopped and rolled their window down and threw obscenities at me 

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BHAVNEET: Welcome back to another episode of drive
with us podcast. I’m Bhavneet

TARANJIT: and I’m Taranjit, and we’re super
excited to have you ride with us as our drivers, take us on some adventurous
drives around the world. Our driver today is Vanessa Gordon and she is the last
driver for season five.

 But before we meet Vanessa, we have a few
updates for you on the future of the show and what has been going on in our
life for those of you that haven’t listened to our podcast for a while, you may
know that the two of us work full time in addition to producing those podcasts.

And I still have
my three-hour round trip commute. Luckily she does not, but it has been
extremely difficult on our mental and physical. Well, we been trying to put
this podcast out there, like all the content that goes with it. For YouTube,
Instagram tick-tock and all the extra stuff that goes into putting this podcast
together.

We don’t often
share, but behind the scenes and what all goes into making those podcasts
happen, but it is a lot of work and we don’t want to put out subpar content. So
we decided to end season five here with 14 drivers. Take a little break so we
can gather ourselves and prep for the next season.

The two of us have
actually been talking about this for a little while now, especially since this
takes up a lot of our free time and all of our weekend time sometimes, and we
feel that it’s best that we shorten the number of episodes in each of our
season from 15 to around 10, just so that we can have more time to.

Great that episode
and the podcast content

BHAVNEET: and create great content.

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professional drivers. In addition to our everyday drivers to change up the
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TARANJIT: Well, that being said before we get into
Vanessa’s stories, we do have one final little note to add. We are starting to
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And we look
forward to talking to more drivers. And now without further ado, let’s meet
today’s driver, Vanessa Gordon from New York.

Vanessa Gordon is
a CEO and publisher of east end tastes magazine, a digital sustainable travel
and food publication based in the Hamptons and the founder and host of the
Hamptons, interactive brunch. She lives in sag Harbor with her husband and two
children. Here’s Vanessa.

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BHAVNEET: Welcome Vanessa to drive with those
podcasts. Thank you so much for joining us today

VANESSA: thank you for having me. I’m really
excited to be here.

TARANJIT: are super excited to hear your crazy
stories. But before we try, I was going to say drive before we dive into that.
tell us a little bit about you as a driver. How would you describe yourself and
what is your relationship

with drivers?

VANESSA: I’ve been driving for, well over my goodness,
about 17 or 18 years now, and I’ve had a pretty smooth sailing experience, but
of course, driving in other countries that I can’t wait to get into my
experience driving in Ireland, has always been quite interesting to say the
least. I’ve been very, very lucky. I’ve never been a car accident, never got a
parking ticket. So I’m , squeaky clean which I’m quite proud of. I’m very, very
safe driver. I don’t text and drive and such,

BHAVNEET: That’s awesome that you haven’t had a,
ticket’s like good for you. Keep that going.

VANESSA: Yeah.

BHAVNEET: Well, let’s dive into your craziest
driving experiences. What would you say is one of your crazy?

VANESSA: There’s a very, tricky place that people
are not too familiar with out here where there’s a yield sign and a stop sign,
but what people don’t realize.

So the stop sign
is on the straight road and the yield sign comes in a diagonal. I was turning
from a main. The person had not approached the stop sign yet, but then when I
Kervin I’m into

the yield. So the
person with the stop sign has to actually yield to me because they hadn’t
proceeded.

The person just
arrived at the stop sign. So this person didn’t stop. They just slow down at
the Senate. Speed up right behind me and slam their horn. And I just pulled
over just to get away with the person, but the person actually stopped and
rolled their window down and threw some obscenities at me and said, something along
the lines of, you cut me off and I cried and I pressed and I said, no, You were
at a stop sign.

You had not gotten
to the stop sign. When I was already in the yield section, I’m thinking to
myself, if you had been at the stop sign already and it went to proceed, then
yes, I would yield to you. But because you

were approaching
the stop sign, when I was already in the curve

within the yield

section,

that person had to

therefore abide by
the stops.

TARANJIT: I guess, Yeah. that’s

confusing. Having
that I’ve also seen roads where you’re driving on the main road and then the
stop sign is somehow accidentally turned a little. So it’s like, wait, is that
for me? Or is

that

BHAVNEET: for

VANESSA: Oh Yeah. Yeah. That’s a tough one. And
then out here too, you see a lot of roads where there’s only one, there’s a
four way intersection.

One does not have
a stop

sign. and then
three have the stop sign. and people are, why, why is this person

Just going? It’s
like, no, because you have to stop.

You have to stop.

in the person. the
opposite side has to stop. But then that

one lane does

not have to stop.
And I think it’s because it’s a school zone and they have to keep the traffic
moving on one side. And the schools on this side where the stop sign is. that’s
the only thing I can think of as to the reason.

But they should,
the town should look into just keeping it as a four way stop. Another thing out
here too, is they redo the roads, semi often and all of a sudden they’ll remove
a stop.

Um, like a main
stretch of road, near a

farm stand or
something. And then there’s people that in their

mind, remember the
stop sign. So they still stopped and, you know, get someone behind them and
just slamming their, their fist on the horn. So it can be tricky.

TARANJIT: Oh, well, yeah, that can really mess
with someone I’ve seen in stop science, where like you were describing where
one side doesn’t have the

stop. the other
side typically says underneath like oncoming traffic doesn’t stop as like a
warning. So you have

that. Sign there
to let you know, like,

that’s my it’s not
going to stop, but I don’t know.

It probably could
be the way that the road is itself. Like maybe it’s

going downhill or
something. And they’re like, oh, this I can keep going. Or maybe the way it
turns. I don’t know. I have no idea what the reason is,

but yeah, it can

be confusing.

VANESSA: Right.

And One of the
main reasons why I always mind space in front of me right down the road, from
where my uncle lives in Canton, Connecticut, , there was a deadly car accident
at a four way intersection.

And what had
happened was there’s a very, very steep road, at the. intersection right around
like Farmington, just one of those main roads in the backend in Connecticut,
near Hartford and a truck lost its brakes and barrel down into dozens of
people.

 About 15 people were killed because they could
not move out of the way in time.

BHAVNEET: That must be really hard to come by.
People keeping their distance like, get in where you can fit in.

VANESSA: It is. Oh gosh. Yes.

BHAVNEET: What would you say is your third
craziest driving experience?

VANESSA: California. That traffic is real. It was
so funny. When I went there, I had to go there for

an expo in early
to mid 2019, and I’ll never

forget it.

Oh, how bad could
the traffic be?

Six lanes. There’s
no way. It’s three hours unlikely. So you get into the LA area to get over to
Anna.

You’re

sitting there and
I’m looking around, there’s six lanes of highway, where is everyone going And
it wasn’t even rush hours about perhaps at about 11, 11 30 in the morning. And
I’m looking at and go, where is everyone

going? Who are all
these people? So that was quite a

wake up call was
seeing firsthand all of the traffic that.

Does exist outside
of Los Angeles. And as far as the people that drive there, there’s certainly
not new Yorkers. They’re not people from Massachusetts or New Jersey, so
they’re not aggressive.

in fact, they’re
very, it seemed

very laid back. At
least the

people that were
in the vehicle with me, they didn’t

seem to care, but
then what was happening is.

Why I started
driving

over the Ashley,
wasn’t supposed to be driving. , the individual I was driving with decided to
start doing her makeup in the car

and other
activities that I felt truly

unsafe. And I very
rare that I would actually step in and say, you know what, let me

drive the

vehicle.

So I stepped in

and drove it for
the rest of it was supposed to, again, we were about technically a half hour
away.

But it took almost
two hours to get

to our
destination.

BHAVNEET: Oh my,

VANESSA: Yeah. Typical

laid back and not,
oh,

I could

do. And she’s
like, oh

my God. And then
she was telling me, of course, all about her multiple car accidents and the
last vehicle she totaled in the last two months. And I said,

I’m going to, I’m
going to

take the

wheel. And then
we,

she

pulled over

and I, I

drove.

TARANJIT: yeah,

the fact that she
was adding that in there while not paying attention

VANESSA: Yeah, she was actually telling Walsh.
You’re doing well. You know, I was just in that car.

BHAVNEET: I think,

VANESSA: Yeah,

I’m looking at
vehicle

with that

person

again,

God.

TARANJIT: Yeah. it’s just easier if you’re just
driving yourself. So you did touch on this a little bit earlier.

How would you
describe different types of drivers in the different places you’ve been?

VANESSA: Here where I live on the Eastern end of
long island. So the busy season is. Between late may and early September, it
could get quite nuts out here. So for instance, a road that’s maybe no more
than 10 miles, could take about an hour and a half just to drive that span and
I’ve seen everything from people, cutting people off on the, on the right,
which is illegal, running stop signs in the parking lot. It’s actually very
unusual. If you don’t see someone arguing with one of the parking attendants.
So it can, again, really, really nuts out here. It’s almost like going to
Quantico training out in the Midwest where you have to kind of Dodge. Different
cars but one of the biggest things is really, there’s no way to avoid the
traffic per se, even on the back roads. There’s a lot of wildlife. That a lot
of people are aware of their patterns.

So for instance,
deer, there’s like a hundreds of accidents that involve deer audio, the basis.
And the thing that people don’t know about living the online island is Deer
travel in packs, usually at least more than two, and sometimes up to 12 deer at
a time we’ll cross the road. So what happens is people will see one deer jet
out into the.

And then they’ll
speed up, but then they don’t realize there’s six more behind them and that’s
when the accident happens. It’s truly

never a

dull moment out
here.

BHAVNEET: That’s crazy. I didn’t realize that
there were so many deer in long island. when you think New York you’re like, oh
yeah, the city, like, there’s not that many wildlife, but that’s crazy that you
guys had that many deer. Like we have a deer problem here in Maryland, so I can
totally understand that.

VANESSA: Yes.

TARANJIT: I can relate

 I’ve had two deer accidents, unintentionally.
They just pop out of nowhere, but yeah, you’re right. You want to watch out
for, if you see one, you just want to wait and see if there’s any more coming.
That’s

a good point.

VANESSA: That’s it. Some people honked their horn
a lot of times like go God. And I, I would love to just yell out the window and
say, there’s probably more sure enough, there they go. And out here, ,

 Where I live on the Eastern end of long island

we get all the
city traffic, we get a lot of people that are not regular drivers. People are
not familiar with the rules.

Another thing that
they just started out here where roundabouts, it’s really incredible to see the
amount of individuals young or old that do not have to drive in a circle. So ,
you’ll be coming up to the circle that someone that’s in the circle will stop
and let you in.

And I’m going go,

you’re

in go, go. And
then you come up

to

it.

And then the

person.

To the left of you
waits for

you to go and it’s
like,

no,

you

go.

BHAVNEET: That’s so backwards.

VANESSA: it’s tricky.

Speaking of that,
in Ireland, we’re drivers driving on the opposite side of the road, entering a
traffic circle. You’re completely messed up at that point. It was
extraordinarily terrifying to say this because I was driving along the wild
Atlantic way. So not only was I on the other side of the road, Sydney, on the
other side, within the vehicle, you have sheep that run out into the road and
other wildlife and the sheep will just sit there and take their grand old time.

You can’t really
move them. And you’ll be sitting there for quite a while, but what was so funny
are the people that live in Ireland truly are so kind. And complete polar
opposite of the people in New York. So instead of, doing crude things new
Yorkers do.

They were pretty
polite. All their forget, I entered one of the circles and went the wrong way.
And instead they just, they just kind of like gently tooted their horns and
they’re like, just move over. Don’t worry about it. And I yelled at the one.
I’m so sorry on your typical American.

And there were
fine. That was the nicest relieved. There was that they were so laid back.

BHAVNEET: Yeah. And how terrifying it would be.
Like you’re finally getting a handle of being on the opposite side of the road.
You don’t want to do any of this crazy when new movers of like, let me go
around people, let me switch lanes and they’ll let me just

go straight.

TARANJIT: When you went to Ireland did you notice
any distinct differences in driving laws or anything that stood out that was

different?

VANESSA: Yes. it didn’t matter if there was a
police car around or not to catch someone speeding. They actually had monitors
on the. And what would happen is you would get a ticket in the mail later on.
And they would have random, check points that were, , at the time, handled,
lack of better word virtually.

So they would see,
oh, this person was speeding at this time. Here’s your picture of your license
plate? So they, there was monitors along the, mainly on the, along the main
highways. And I thought to myself, gosh, how.

Smart is that, I
mean, why don’t they just do that here in the U S I would save a ton of money
and effort and

expense.

It’s like,

you

can’t argue

this.

You

were speeding. We
caught you. We have your license plate done. Pay the fine.

BHAVNEET: So I wondered is that, that nobody
really sped in Ireland.

VANESSA: people did speed. Maybe they would catch
on to find out where the. Markers were,

BHAVNEET: Yeah, I can only imagine like first off
driving in another country, then driving on the other side and then driving on
a road, like the wild Atlantic way. It was like, this is going to be your first
time. Let’s pick the crazy

road.

VANESSA: Oh, God. Well, it was my first besides
driving in the Caribbean, I was driving an Antigua, but that’s enough site That
was nothing that is so easy. There’s no stops. There’s, there’s no traffic.
You’re just driving along a road date. You’re on the opposite side of the road,
but

It didn’t matter.

That’s the only
thing you had to look out for. There are speed bumps. But in our little never,
never, again, I will never drive there again.

BHAVNEET: Oh, the

TARANJIT: places that you have driven around the
world, what would you say is your favorite spine? Which spot is your least

favorite spot to
drive?

VANESSA: Oh, well I Ireland’s definitely

my least favorite
I’ve haven’t drove it driven in the UK though. I’ve spent a lot of time

there. I would
love to

drive there. I
drove in Rome. Interestingly Washington say wrote to, I drove

up towards,
Florence, but then

west over to

Sienna. The one
thing though that I will

say this, so that
was, uh, it was a very beautiful experience.

However, I get

severe motion
sickness and car sickness.

I, at this point
was not driving. I was the passenger, but I, I drove us to the main area, but
then when the

road

started to get
really windy, I was starting to get tired. So I, I actually should’ve kept

driving honestly,
cause I’ve never gotten sick with me driving And I was the

passenger in the

back. They

actually had to
pull the

car over. I was so
dizzy. I had to

sit on the side of
the road for who knows how long.

That was rough,
but what, it was so interesting that I did not expect the

roads in Italy or
at least in Tuscany to be

so windy. And so,
truly unbearable they’re ones that I really don’t look forward to being on
Despite how beautiful the area.

BHAVNEET: Yeah.

I can

understand that, I
get a little bit of motion sickness. So if you’re driving, you feel a whole lot
better, but sitting in the back, that must have been rough.

VANESSA: It was, it

was no joke. That
was not fun. And it was so sad because the views were truly

stunning.

but never again,
no way.

TARANJIT: I wonder. Is there something you can do
to help your motion sickness or is that just something you have to deal with?

VANESSA: That’s a good question. Technically, I
could have taken drama, Maine, which probably would have helped significantly,
but of course Um, and

TARANJIT: Yeah. Yeah.

That makes sense.
I’ve heard about that, but yeah, I guess it’s just easier if you’re just
driving yourself.

What would you say
is your

Biggest driving
pet peeve of when you are driving?

VANESSA: Honestly, when

you look over on
the highway and you’re a passenger and you see so many people texting and
driving, I’ve seen people with both of

their hands on
their phone, And

also when people
are on their phones at traffic lights, it’s always very, very irritating. ‘
cause, you just know that there’s a specific reason as to why they’re not
moving.

 And

I’m not one to
honestly beat my

horn immediately

 When it’s a green light. I usually give about
a two to three second grace period.

TARANJIT: Yeah, I feel the same way. I’m not
someone who keeps my horn and I quickly either, But it’s like, I know What you
were doing. Pay attention to drive.

Right now, like
your phone can wait.

VANESSA: yeah.

BHAVNEET: But Yeah.

I agree. That’s
like a, That’s such a scary thing to see. You’re driving and the person next to
you is like, totally not paying attention. It’s like, I’m just gonna slow down
a little bit

VANESSA: That’s it certainly, , we unfortunate.
Have a lot of instances of drug while intoxicated out here. Especially really late
at night on Friday and Saturday nights, so I avoid driving late at night
because really

that’s what a

lot of people that

that

don’t, you avoid

driving

out. late

at

another thing out
here is people have, motorcycles and they

tend to speed. Not
saying that I’m not, cautious of people on a motorcycle, which I I certainly
am. But it just creates he had another little. to potential hazards out here.

BHAVNEET: yeah,

TARANJIT: it’s really important to, have the
understanding of how drivers. Types of drivers are certain times. So you can
make that informed decision of when to put yourself out in that situation,
which has got to be aware of that and keep yourself safe because you’re the
only one that can keep yourself safe.

You can’t really
control their drivers.

BHAVNEET: Let’s switch gears a little bit and go
into your

first time driving
experiences. How would you describe

your first time
driving experience?

VANESSA: It’s just so fascinating when you’re,
you know, your interview, if you’re an, a P passenger for so long, you’re in
your mid-teens and you’re trying to figure out the vehicle, but it’s just so
fascinating how quickly we can figure out how to maneuver these things.

 But I’ll never forget. When I went to get my
driver’s license, I was actually very sick that I, with my permit, I didn’t
pass it the first time because I made a couple of like silly mistakes. Like,
one of the questions I’ll never forget was how far away are you supposed to
park from a fire hydrant?

And I said 20
feet. Cause I figured what I have to fit the fire truck. That was one of the

questions I got
wrong, so that was the reason why I failed that one, , but then when I took my
driver’s test, I was so sick that day. And I said to myself, I don’t even know
how I’m going to take this exam. the police officer that was sitting in the
vehicle with me was so he was so funny and.

 When I was going down a steep road, the light
pretty much turned red and I still went through it And we were so into our
conversation that we really weren’t worried about the road. It was just more
of, oh, those people are they’re there. They’re not driving properly.

Don’t worry about
them. And thankfully, even though with my pounding headache, I still got my
license at that point, but I remember my parents were always so concerned about
me driving to a point where they really didn’t allow me to drive that much at
all.

I actually really
didn’t start drawing. I, well, I drove to school, but I didn’t start driving on

a regular basis. ,
until I bought my, was able to afford to buy my first vehicle.

 In my mid twenties.

TARANJIT: Yeah. That’s interesting that you had
actual police officer with you for your driver’s test. I don’t know if you do
that anymore. I feel like it’s like a designated person’s job now

VANESSA: I think, so this was a long time ago.

TARANJIT: but it’s interesting that you were in a
conversation while you’re taking your driver’s test and That he wasn’t paying
attention because most drivers instructors are like, don’t talk

too much and
you’re probably like, let me just keep this conversation going and just finish

this test.

VANESSA: Yeah, I do.

TARANJIT: You got very lucky. Switching gears a
little bit, let’s talk a little bit about the care driving with the possibility
of

self-driving cars,
probably coming a thing in the future. What are your thoughts on this? It’s

something

that you would get

in.

VANESSA: I’m all for anything. I truly believe
that anything is possible in terms of driving. I mean, I believe that there are

dozens and dozens
of less and less accidents that I, that I see. I

mean, it would, it
was almost a unfortunate, regular occurrence with teenagers getting into
action.

You would have the
park demolished vehicle in front of the high school. That was like a regular
thing, with real and relevant

accidents that
are, that had just happened. I’m all for anything that is safety related. To be
honest with you, I think that vehicles should just be

made a lot better
and I think they can be

made a

lot better.

Like they were
back in the fifties. and

before. It would
be truly nice if they were built to last. It’s a shame that

it’s almost a
miracle. Like I had a vehicle that was eventually given to me by my

parents. They had
given me their old Acura that was already

15 years old. But
that car was really well made. It, it was just unheard of that, that vehicle
had 380,000 miles on it.

And I wish the
vehicles were made better

Built to last. but
in terms of safety, I think that there’s, it’s

unfortunately a
little bit greed. Involved

with the
industries. It’s really, there’ll be interesting where Tesla goes. , so I’m all
for, clean energy electric vehicles when possible. , but we have to, I

think as a whole,
everyone has to be smart about it. Like more

charging stations,
vehicles should just naturally be more gas efficient. This is the one thing I
don’t really say that often. I’m actually not really a fan of leather interior.
like, why do we need a leather interior?

I just, I, with
all the years of me

dry, that is one
thing I truly don’t understand. It just was a hot day. And

again, the vehicle
it’s like hot and

sticky.

I don’t like it

personally. I
actually like cloth interior, one possible, but that was me.

TARANJIT: I agree with you. Yeah. We’re the same
way. We’re like, why have this leather seats just to look nice when It’s not

comfortable.

to be in the car

VANESSA: that is one thing I can never figure out
is why do all the

Hyatt, why can’t
it be an option?

TARANJIT: Yeah,

exactly. it’s
interesting that you’re mentioning how they don’t build the cars as they used
to before. And I feel with all technology related stuff, like a Peter’s phones,
they kind of build them to use them faster. So I don’t know where the car
industry is going to go with cars.

VANESSA: Yeah, I, I feel like there’s a reason

BHAVNEET: Yeah. All right. Bonus question time.

If you could make
one, a new driving law,

what would it be?
or

VANESSA: part of driver’s ed, that people were

more aware of
animals in the road and animal behavior. based upon where they live and drive
often, because it truly is so shocking when people like going back to the deer
that people don’t know that they run in packs.

, what to

do if you
accidentally hit one another thing too is I wish that. Vehicles

like in case of an
emergency, like seatbelts there should be some, some sort of a training where
if you’re in a situation where the seatbelt has to be cut, the glass has to be
broken.

A lot of times
people don’t realize is when you. Break

glass. You should
actually, I read, I’m not what I always want to iterate that I’m not 100% on
this, but I did read on the internet that if you try to break the glass in the
corner, it’s not as strong as if you try to break it into.

Of the window.

but there should
be more, , lifesaving, , techniques and such,

that are learned
as part of driver’s ed

TARANJIT: yeah,

I completely agree
with that. I

feel like drivers
that doesn’t

really teach you
that much in terms of like you get the basics of like, I moved the car,

but you don’t get
what to do in certain situations of like driving this weather, or if you
encounter an animal, like, what do you do? Like when do you stop?

Do you keep
driving? , I don’t mind driving instructor at one point. I said, it feels like
a squirrel or something on the road. Just keep going. Don’t stop.

Like, you

don’t want to

cause an accident,
but in a deer or if it’s like a moose or a bear, like what do you do

in those
situations?

So, yeah, that’d
be important.

VANESSA: I think a moose, what I learned is
you’re not supposed to hit the mousse. It’s almost like hitting like a brick
wall. But what do you

do?

BHAVNEET: Yeah, exactly.

What do you

do?

TARANJIT: Do you have any final thoughts or any
tips that

you would like to

give other
drivers?

VANESSA: Yeah. , just a friendly reminder, drive
safely, it can wait, be extremely careful parking lots. It’s really , sad. When
I see, , cars driving fast through parking lots. I drive no more than 10 miles
an hour through a parking lot. , so always want to remind people to be
extremely careful because kids will just shut out, , people that just have to
be mindful of their surroundings.

It’s like the
worst time, like check the phone and the pay, you know, whatever. Have your
look for something that fell on the floor. It truly can wait.

BHAVNEET: Yeah, that’s a good tip. People drive
through parking lots, like they’re in some sort of racetrack and it’s. Um,
that’s not the time and place for that.

TARANJIT: Well, before

we let you go,
where can listeners find you if they want to connect with you?

VANESSA: my personal Instagram is Vanessa P
Gordon. my new personal website is Vanessa P gordon.com and I’m also the CEO
and publisher of east end taste or Eastern taste magazine.com.

BHAVNEET: Awesome. Well, thank you so much for
joining us today. It was really fun talking to you

VANESSA: thank you. I really enjoyed speaking
with you.

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BHAVNEET: well that was Vanessa, our last gas for season five.

We hope you enjoyed hearing her driving stories.

TARANJIT: And again, as we mentioned earlier, in this episode, there are new and exciting changes coming to the show for next season. So be sure to follow us on Instagram, at dry with us podcast to stay up to date on the next season.

BHAVNEET: Thank you for tuning in this week. And if you enjoyed this episode, you can help support the show by sharing it with your friends or leaving us a review. It truly does help us get discovered.

TARANJIT: Thanks for choosing to drive with us and we’ll see you all next season. Keep

BHAVNEET: driving.

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